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foducool

yes, yes, plan the seeds of rebellion in the child

Renadt

Yeah, abusive fathers be abusive.

Minando

Perhaps this is just Hirotomo’s migraine day.
Teenagers do that to fathers.
- purplelibraryguy
  
  I think it’s opposite lifetime in their household: Fathers do it to teenagers.

Breakfast

Frankly, it seems to me that Hirotomo fully expected Nataku to off his kid and engage in war full-scale and is disappointed that he came back and so leaves him to stew until he figures out what to do next.

Or maybe he’s just pissed because he lost two generals without any real ‘victory’ to show for it?

Or perhaps he’s just a dick. Stay tuned to find out!

Kid Chaos

Ina: “The Demons of Sorrow are dead. Your generals are dead. Half your army is dead. Are you going to keep fighting until everyone is dead?”
Hiro: “Well, when you put it that way… ” 💀
- Turul
  
  “You say it like it’s a bad thing!”
  - Kid Chaos
    
    *Ina smacks him upside the head* 😵
- purplelibraryguy
  
  “Would that be the plan to continue with total slaughter until everyone’s
  dead except Field Marshal Haig, Lady Haig and their tortoise, Alan?”
  “Great Scott, even you know it!”

Crestlinger

Stage is Set: Ina Vs. Hirotomo.

Kid Chaos

$5 says Ina gives him what-for and doesn’t pull her (verbal) punches. 😎
- Archangel
  
  No bet. But will she survive the encounter?
  - Kid Chaos
    
    Absolutely. 😎
    - Turul
      
      …But will Hirotomo survive it?
    - Kid Chaos
      
      “I wish I had an answer to that question, because I’m tired of answering that question.” 😜
      –Yogi Berra
  - clogboy
    
    Always bet on bird fish!
    - Archangel
      
      We’re not talking about passwords. And it’s always “swordfish.” 😉
animalia555

Test your might
- Kid Chaos
  
  MORTAL KOMBAT!!! 💀

clogboy

Ina: “You did the right thing.”
Eji: “What’s that?”
Ina: “You did what I suggested.”

There’s a red flag, Eji, have a mind of your own. 😉 I was wrong, this will never work (relationship wise). But Ina is in charge of the narrative, so, well played, I guess!

Archangel

I agree about the lack of relationship potential. Eji doesn’t have the strength of character to be a match for someone as strong as Ina. To a Daimyo with matching strength, a wife like Ina has a value beyond price; to a Daimyo without that strength, she would be more hindrance than help in the long run.

That said, Eji might develop that strength in the future if allowed/forced to spread his wings. Kid has potential.
- clogboy
  
  Kid has potential but not a right head. I blame his father and Nataku. Getting out on his own was the best thing Yori could ever do.
  - animalia555
    
    Agreed. Yori, on the other hand, knows when to listen to Ina and when to ignore her. Or as the early comics would say, “can’t hear you, rescuing!”
- purplelibraryguy
  
  Well, depends. If he lacks strength, maybe he’d let her be the power behind the throne, and that might be best for everyone.
  - Archangel
    
    The problem with that is that the titular ruler needs to be able to stand on his (or her) own. Sooner or later a situation will arise, and the ‘puppeteer’ will not be around.
    
    Add to this the fact that we are in feudal Japan, for better and for worse. That means that if a woman–no matter how qualified–is known to be the power behind a daimyo, most other men will accord that daimyo no respect. This will have severe political consequences in a society so dependent on reputation and such.
reynard61

“Eji”

Pronounced “Edgy”?

When he becomes the Daimyo will that make him the “Ej-Lord”?

Is he on the “razor’s Ej” with his father relationship-wise?

(Sorry, couldn’t resist. Gotta keep my “ej” when it comes to puns…)
- animalia555
  
  God damn it Barb

Arkone Axon

This is actually very good on Ina’s part. Whether or not she’s going to end up with Eji, the fact remains that she’s encouraging him, supporting him. Whether she becomes his wife or his sister-in-law, that’s someone you want to have in your family.

And sometimes all it takes to realize your own worth is to have someone else who can point it out to you.

Slograman

Does Ina always instinctively side with the lowest person on the totem pole? I kind of want to see a fan comic where Ina reassures an Enron CEO that it wasn’t his fault.

purplelibraryguy

Enron CEOs aren’t the lowest people on the totem pole. The people who relied on their pension plan are. Enron CEOs just resurfaced at the head of different companies scamming different governments. I’m from British Columbia and I have bitter experience of this; the Kinder Morgan dudes ramming a pipeline full of dilbit through our biggest city who eventually conned the federal government into buying it for 8 billion dollars so they could walk away laughing, used to be Enron guys–a fact that was generally studiously ignored by the media.
- Nos Rin aka CTCO
  
  shit like this is why I want world domination.
  like I hate being in charge, but everyone in charge is a f***ing idiot.
- animalia555
  
  Uh, the joke is that she would be reassuring the head honcho who did EVERYTHING wrong, INSTEAD of the low guy on the totem pole like she instinctively does so I think the commenter gets that.

Minando

It’s not easy being a dad.

As long as your son is under 13, you are a hero.

Over 13, you are a jerk who knows *nothing*.
…

Better to keep up that aura of inscrutable wisdom and mysteriousness.
Sort of a self defence mechanism.

clogboy

It’s not easy being a feudal clan leader.
- Turul
  
  You stop the war against the Daisuke, you’re a hero.
  
  You decide to just have the sorry bunch massacred anyway, suddenly everybody thinks you’re a jerk who knows nothing!
  - Turul
    
    (Also:
    
    Your dad stops the war against the Daisuke, he’s a hero.
    
    You stop the war against the Senshin, you’re a failure who knows nothing!)
  - clogboy
    
    You kill a hundred, they call you a hero. You kill a thousand, you’re a mass murderer.
    - Xinef
      
      You don’t kill anyone and you become a de-facto leader of a ninja clan… no-one calls you a hero, but you actually are one.
      
      Go uncle Yuki!
    - animalia555
      
      Speaking of Uncle Yuki who else wants to bet that he has all of the other clans of Japan waiting to see how the dust settles with everything on Yori, Ina and co. And if Yori and Ina can prore themselves this won’t just be a Seishuuin/Wataro alliance, but the making of a new Shogunate?
      
      Or maybe I am reading to much into Uncle Yuki’s SEEMING physical resemblance to Ieyasu Tokugawa. Those old timey drawings of him with robes always made him look fat to me.
- Minando
  
  Did I not say that

endplanets

Ina: So what do you guys do for fun around here?
Eijir: Given what just happened I guess its Calvin-ball !

I dig the contrast between their fathers. Ina’s dad is super smart and nice but Ina doesn’t hesitate to call him a dork. Meanwhile Eijiro’s dad is… that…, and Eijiro craves his approval.

Archangel

“Strong liquor and strong women. Nothing else like ’em.” –Me

Sunwu

Ejiro: papa can you hear me!!!

Kid Chaos

Hirotomo: Yes, and I’m still disappointed with you! 👹

IDPounder

Let us know if you end up seeing Venom, Alex. I’m kinda fence-sitting on that one myself.

Hfar

“But if *I’m* not wrong, would that make dad wrong? …Nope, nope. This revelation is too much for my poor brain to handle. I’m going to ignore that thought for now.”

EternalLurker

Venom is very bad if you are watching it to see a GOOD movie.

It is, however, reasonably entertaining as a ridiculous, silly popcorn flick. If you’re in the mood for that, set your expectations accordingly and you’ll have fun.

What I find hilarious about it is Sony’s incessant efforts to have it join the MCU as an alternate timeline. Cuz that’s what they’re doing. That repeated claim during marketing that it’s “not NOT part of the MCU”, or that it’s an “adjunct” to it, despite Feige’s flat denials? It all culminates in the fact that the film’s post-credits scene is literally just a random clip from Into The Spider-Verse, with absolutely no connection to Venom whatsoever. Sony is clearly trying to say that all these franchises are just alternate universes which can cross over as they will in Into The Spider-Verse, and they’re hoping that the MCU will bite and let Venom drop in there via similar shenanigans.

After this film, though, there’s no way Marvel’s letting that happen.

http://www.nn4b.com suburban_samurai

Here’s hoping Into the Spiderverse is as good as its trailers.
clogboy

Interesting point.
I see more merit in letting the X-men join MCU, a distinct possibility now that Disney owns 20th c Fox. Hopefully the Dark Phoenix movie will lead into it, explaining where the X-men have gone after the 90s and who will join the new Avengers iteration. Either they (retcon since First Class) are alternate universe / alternate timeline, or they just upped and left after whatever hapened with cpt. Marvel (which will also be set in the 90s), or Dr. Strange will pull some crazy stuff in the Dark Dimension. I’m hoping the mutants have been out of it (since technically none of the Avengers were born mutants) and will return into the fold to help beat Thanos or will join the MCU after that happens.

seandlax9

The symbiote being absolutely, and possibly unintentionally, hilarious is reason enough to see Venom

Rolf Soldaat

What happened to page 769? Are you just trolling the people who were waiting to make a joke about it?

http://www.nn4b.com suburban_samurai

Shoot, I mis-numbered the page! Feeling annoyed with myself, it’s kind of a headache to fix the page specifc URL when that happens.

Xinef

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Dave

I’ve been following the story for a while now. I realize it’s not real life, it’s a story. But sometimes I wish authors would portray the real world. In this case specifically, the way women are regarded in this culture, she’d have been smacked to the ground before giving her explanation. I hate it – but we’re doing a disservice not to recognize the problem. We’re glossing over it.

http://www.nn4b.com suburban_samurai

Well, this is basically an action comedy comic. It in no way accurately portrays Japanese history, which obviously had very rigid gender roles. But there is a significant amount of historical fiction out there that accurately portrays those types of societies! I’d definitely encourage you to read Shogun, if you want a pretty stellar historical fiction feudal Japanese/samurai novel.
- animalia555
  
  Have you seen Linfamy’s youtube channel? He’s been covering the History of Japan on it pretty well and I think you’d enjoy it. That being said he’s still in the Asuka period right now.
Xinef

Although, as far as I know, while the norm was as you say, there were exceptions. There were quite a few women in positions of power, who were respected and feared. Now, I won’t deny that these exceptions were exceptionally rare, and generally involved either Onna-bugeisha or actual clan and organization leaders, while Ina is but a young heir and indeed not much of a warrior. But, in terms of personality, she seems to have quite a lot in common with those exceptional women, and being a daughter of a daimyo if she lived in historical Japan, she would stand a chance of becoming one of the exceptions remembered by history… although likely only once she gets into an arranged marriage, gets a sizable entourage of servants and guards, gathers some wealth and recognition and so on…

So yeah, right now she’d probably get some serious punishment for misbehaving. But not because of being a woman (a man in her situation could get punished as well), but rather because of not having inherited her wealth and power yet. Now if she were married (say, to Yori), while technically Yori would get the dowry from Ina’s father and he would be the owner of Ina’s wealth and servants, most people would still think twice before attempting to punish Ina for misbehavior, since – firstly – that could anger Yori. And secondly, she’d be allowed to manage Yori’s wealth and servants to some degree.

… I think, correct me if I’m wrong.

animalia555

Shinto Creation Myth: Izanami and Izanagi | History of Japan 1
https://youtu.be/ATnFsFRnRsI

clogboy

Didn’t Feudal Japan kinda Chuck Norris the daymio? As in, the right thing is whatever he says it is?

http://seedandfeed.org/ DaveBro

Holy “good influence,” Batman!! May it fall on permeable ground.

http://seedandfeed.org/ DaveBro

Alex, maybe Howard Tayler’s reviewed it? YMMV, but I like his reviews.

Nos Rin aka CTCO

Here’s my opinion on seeing Venom.
It’s probably terrible story wise, but a fun action flick, so go with the intent to make fun of it and laugh at the stupidity.

Like Batman Ninja, holy shit is that movie bad, but I strongly recommend people watch because it’s the fun kind of bad. like hilariously slow, like even better when you’re drunk kind of bad. or high, if that’s your thing.

http://www.comicsagonistes.hackenbush.org/ Ginger Mayerson

I don’t think even my deep and profound love of Tom Hardy could endure that. Guess I’ll wait until I can stream it from the comfort of my own couch.
- Nos Rin aka CTCO
  
  Tom Hardy is great and I am quite displeased we have not yet seen another mad max film with him yet.

animalia555

I have a crazy theory about what’s up with Hirotomo but I have to do a COMPLETE reread to find out if it’s consistent with his behavior throughout the series or not.

But here’s the idea. At some point after the fact he found out the truth about Nataku’s deception. But rather than blame Nataku he blames himself for his inconsistent morals. After all if he had held to his higher standard it wouldn’t have mattered that Nataku decieved him, he would have done the right thing regardless.
As such he is betting everything on the future, speaking of…
That might be why he likes Yorikiro so much and hates Eijiro. In Yorikiro he sees the person he could never be, and puts that person through the test. In Eijiro he sees the person who he is, someone who has failed to hold consistent to their morals and as such he writes them off.
In this he doesn’t see the tragedy of his own creation. That no one is perfect, that in his drive to create the perfect heir no matter the price, it’s going to drive everything to a boiling point.
I don’t want to go beyond this, but tell me what you think of this speculation.

animalia555

Yeah, scratch that theory. Doesn’t seem to hold up at this point.

animalia555

Who were the First Japanese?|History Of Japan 2
https://youtu.be/1n8Cs9gOW9k

http://www.comicsagonistes.hackenbush.org/ Ginger Mayerson

I’m glad Alex and Joseph aren’t fans of the opera “Don Carlos” or Hirotomo might decide to marry her himself and wouldn’t that be dreadful. She should be careful; to much spirit can get a woman killed.

Frank Royce Harr

Yorri and Eij were obviously raised by the same man. The same bitter, unhappy man. He might lighten up when he learns he doesn’t have to listen to that general any more. And then down again when he learns why.

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