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Guess what, I’M GONNA TALK ABOUT STAR WARS!!!! Definite SPOILERS ahead, so don’t read if you ain’t seen it, as there’s plenty of great surprises in the movie (and some not so great surprises)


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I may have raised my expectations a bit too high with The Last Jedi, even considering my cynical opinion of its director, Rian Johnson and his most successful movie, Looper, which is the sloppiest mess of a plot hole ridden time travel script you could imagine. But clearly Disney had a lot of faith in The Last Jedi, and so I started to hope it would be as great as they were claiming. Instead, it turned out to be about on the same level as most modern franchise films; bombastic, bogged down in too much plot, strangled with too little breathing room, and full of good ideas that receive a lot of poor execution due to what feels like a rushed script. I also found a lot of the editing and cinematography comical in its energetic cutting and occasionally awkward camera angles. But I should stress I didn’t hate the film, in fact, many of its ideas I like quite a bit. It’s just in the execution that the film stumbles in the way that most films stumble nowadays.

Before I go ranting about all the stuff I wished was done better or not done at all, I want to talk about all the elements of the movie I liked, or even loved, because there were a lot!

I love Kylo Ren. I think he’s the best part of the new films. This may just be because I love massively flawed try-hard characters who really want to be intimidating but totally are not. I love the juxtaposition of Kylo trying to convince Rey to join him so they can forge a new future while cutting free all of his troubled past, while at the same time Rey wants Kylo to join her in being a good guy because he’s a super broody dude with no chest hair. It’s great fun, and it’s basically my favorite stuff in the movie.

I love that this film essentially jettisons all the baggage of the Star Wars prequels by implying that there is no right way to be a Jedi, other than to channel one’s energy into crusading for good. At one point in the movie Luke refers to ‘the Jedi religion’, which instantly made me angry as I feel the Jedi should be an order of knights that defend peace and justice using the Force as a tool to do good. The real balance of good and evil is entirely tied to the individual, the Force itself is amoral. I feel like Yoda implies this in Empire Strikes Back. I can only hope that the eventual new Jedi order that gets established by Rey and company is a much more secular, less prophecy oriented affair.

I love how this movie handles the big mystery of Rey’s parents. Having them be literally of no importance, and having her be a new player in the story, one that has no connection to the Skywalkers, makes the universe feel bigger, and paves the way for a new order of Jedi knights from around the galaxy with no previous connections. I’d honestly wished The Force Awakens had given us a successful Luke with a thriving new Jedi academy, but maybe we can still get there, consisting of Rey and a mentoring Force Ghost Luke, and some new students.

I love Luke’s moment of weakness that lead to Ben’s turn into Kylo. Luke gives one version of the story to Rey, Kylo gives another, and the truth is somewhere in between. It’s very Kurosawa and it also feels very real. In one moment, Luke set into effect his own downfall and self-exile, that’s a quality dramatic scenario. I wish the flashback scenes themselves hadn’t felt so awkward, but it’s a great concept, even if it doesn’t feel like the Luke we saw in the original trilogy. But that’s okay, I guess.

I love Luke’s big stalling tactic on the salt planet. It’s bold, it’s beautiful, it’s a joy to watch, and it’s probably the best plan Luke’s ever had. I mean geezus, it’s a big step up from his nonsense plan to bust Han out of Jabba’s palace. It’s only real flaw was that he didn’t tell anyone he was intentionally trying to stall the First Order. Honestly, not telling your allies the full plan seems to be a running theme in the film…

So here goes my list of things I either didn’t like or wish had been done better.

I didn’t like starting the movie on a dumb gag. It got a big laugh from the audience, but Poe’s antics felt cartoonish and immediately undercut the drama. In fact, a lot of the drama of the film was undercut by gags. It reminded me quite a bit of Thor Ragnarok, which has plenty of dramatic scenarios, but they’re presented in jokey ways that rob them of all their tension and emotional impact. It results in Last Jedi feeling tonally inconsistent, with too much metaphorical, and sometimes literal, winking at the camera.

Why were the bombers’ payloads directly tied to a big red button on a remote control? Just felt like kind of silly space technology, to me.

The meandering space chase that drags on through most of the movie was meandering. It was weird that the imperial fleet didn’t have any ships that could overtake the Resistance cruiser, but could still match its speed and continue firing from a distance just far enough to nullify weapon effectiveness, but not far enough that the blasts couldn’t keep hitting Resistance shields. What’s even more frustrating is that they had literally the perfect set up for a classic scifi trope that would’ve added some great tension and pacing to the chase: instead of having the Resistance fleet lack the fuel to hyper jump, just have it so that every time they come out of hyperspace, the First Order fleet immediately comes out right behind them and starts firing. Then the Resistance has to calculate the next jump to hyperspace all while taking losses and being unsure how the FO is tracking them. This could lead to great tension building scenes where we cut from Rey back to the Resistance soldiers preparing for combat while counting down to the moment they exit hyperspace, knowing they’re going to take heavy losses but that they just have to hold out long enough until they can calculate the next jump to light speed. It could lead to some thrilling, hard hitting battle sequences, and during the hyperspace jumps in-between, the Resistance characters could be arguing, hoping, consoling, mourning, and emoting in ways that let the characters breath and interact so we can really get to know them.

Finn’s wild casino adventure is a total bust. I mean, it could easily be cut from the movie and the plot would be unaffected. On top of that, it’s just silly and dull. But it didn’t have to be! It kind of picks up at the end, when he faces down Phasma. But what if Phasma had been hunting him the whole time? Maybe the Resistance fleet sends him and Rose on their mission during one of its tense drops out of hyperspace. They take off in a shuttle, and General Hux orders Phasma to take a platoon of Stormtroopers and chase after them. Instead of Finn and Rose being captured by police, they could be captured by Phasma. Phasma could interrogate Finn, and mock him for his inability to function like a good soldier, maybe even make him doubt if he has any worth to the Resistance since he was useless as a Stormtrooper. This could all build to the final confrontation, which would then have far more dramatic weight to it. Instead, Phasma is just there and then she’d dead, big deal.

Benicio Del Toro’s weird code breaker character also feels like a frustrating addition. He’s first characterized as totally self centered, but then later returns Rose’s special medallion, indicating that maybe he has a heart, but then he ultimately betrays Finn and Rose, and we never see him again. The movie already has too many characters, so what was the point of including this one? AND WHY WASN’T IT LANDO????

Yoda’s inclusion in the movie feels like pure fan service of the most pandering kind. His inclusion was mainly so that he could remind Luke that even though Luke failed, he can still learn from his failures, he doesn’t need to just die alone and hopeless. I love that kind of messaging, but I feel it could have happened so much differently. I’m disappointed we didn’t get a training sequence with Luke and Rey. I would have loved to see Luke reluctantly train Rey because she threatens to go face Kylo Ren immediately, and Luke knows she’s not ready. So he trains her only because he feels if he doesn’t, she’s more likely to get turned to the dark side by Kylo. And through his training of Rey, he realizes that even though he failed Kylo, he’s learned from that failure and is able to hold back his doubting visions of a dark-side Rey, which is one of only many possible futures (like, didn’t he learn that lesson in ESB?). So then Rey tells him she’s out of time, and the Resistance fleet will be destroyed unless they face Kylo and Snoke immediately. Luke says “You’re still not ready…but I am” and they go to face Kylo and Snoke together. It could be a powerful moment, and one that reverses Luke’s failure to heed Yoda’s advice in Empire.  I will say, though, that if they had to include Yoda, at least it was the Yoda I remember from Empire Strikes Back, and not that prequel knockoff moron.

It frustrates me that Leia and the purple haired lady general don’t share their plans to escape to the old Rebel base with Poe and the crew. There’s no indication they suspect any spies amongst the Resistance crew, so there’s seemingly no reason not to just tell Poe the plan so he stops moronically putting contradictory plans into action. Now if there WAS a spy, all this secrecy would be totally justified, and add another layer of tension as the Resistance tries to root out their betrayer(s) while being doggedly pursued. Could’ve been quite the compelling sequence, with clever red herrings and a surprise twist of some sort, maybe discovering there was no traitor, but that Poe’s ship had had a tracking device stuck onto it during the opening battle.

Who the hell was Snoke? Just a red herring, I guess, a mis-direction to make the audience think he was the real bad guy. Unfortunately, he receives zero context, and acts even more like a cartoon villain than Palpatine (I mean, come on, compelling bad guys don’t talk about ending light and hope, that’s cornball villainy). Every well written bad guy thinks they’re the good guy, but Snoke seems to revel in being evil, and it just makes him comical and unbelievable as a character. It would’ve been great if he’d been given some context. Maybe he could have told a captive Rey that he was a part of a group of dark Force users from the outer most edges of the outer rim, who sought to expand their influence throughout the galaxy. Maybe he could’ve told how one of their members, Darth Sidious, had tried to do this through deception and manipulation, but had ultimately failed. And now he, Snoke, would do it through pure military force. I’m not saying that’s brilliant or even makes a lot of sense, but it adds some context to all these walking cliche villains and maybe expands the universe a bit and even provides a dark, unknown enemy that could be addressed later.

I also wish the death of Snoke at Kylo’s hands had seen a change in Kylo’s demeanor. If he’d spent the remainder of the movie acting stoic and composed as the new supreme leader of the First Order, it would have raised his intimidation level significantly. I feel like Snoke’s death is yet another step in Kylo’s severing of his troubled past. Snoke was just as big a part of Kylo’s conflicted feelings over turning dark side as his parents and Luke. So ending Snoke, who was the true abuser in Kylo’s life, could have centered Kylo emotionally. Don’t get me wrong, I still love try-hard Kylo, but having him spend the last quarter of the film as a composed, intimidating dark figure instead of his angry, tantrum throwing self would have significantly boosted the First Order’s intimidation factor. And, honestly, most scenes involving the First Order characters contain some gag that makes them seem wacky and incompetent, and that’s not great when you’re trying to have a dramatic ticking clock sequence like the one with the Resistance fleet being pursued. The Empire in the OT felt like a sleek, well oiled military industrial complex with little room for outward displays of emotion from its soldiers and officers. The First Order sometimes feels as ineffectual as the droid army from the prequels.

And then there’s just the film’s pacing and editing. The movie is exhausting at two and half hours, with frantic cuts and a lot of overly-CG’d sequences. There are too many set pieces visited in too short a time for much of it to sink in, and there are too many characters and plot threads that prevent the movie from slowing down and letting the characters just talk to each other. This is ultimately frustrating because the actors don’t have enough time to really play off each other, which is, in large part, what makes characters in movies great and memorable. This is ultimately why Empire and the original Star Wars are some of my favorite movies. Because the characters have plenty of time to banters and build off each other, they feel connected like real people. There’s very little  ridiculous cartoon nonsense.  The Last Jedi has great characters, and great story beats and potentially great dramatic setups, but it just feels like it’s too busy trying to get to the next big thing to let the audience absorb any of it.

I would say that I have to resign myself to never getting another Empire Strikes Back, but we just got Blade Runner 2049 this year and I thought it was pretty damn incredible! It keeps its plot simple and streamlined, but gives its characters plenty of time to breath and talk to each other and ACT (albeit with mostly dour expressions). It’s filled with incredible visuals that stay on screen for long stretches, letting the audience drink it in. It doesn’t fill you with contradictory information that leaves you scratching your head at the lack of logic. And it also completely bombed at the box office… I think my current ultimate dream is to have Denis Villeneuve direct a Star Wars film, too bad it’ll likely never happen. Not marketable enough!

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  • KungFuKlobber

    Hnnnnnngh… must… avoid… Star Wars… spoilers…

    • charles81

      Non-spoiler response: I loved it personally. I rate it as the best Star Wars movie since the original trilogy personally… possibly even on par with RotJ.

      The director took risks and some of them are questionable but it ultimately payed off for me.

      • Some Guy

        That’s a pretty low bar you’re clearing, though. I honestly liked the movie better when it was called “The Empire Strikes Back”.

    • Kid Chaos

      Lucky for me, I’m reading this after I saw the movie. 😜

      • Major Tom

        +1 here. I saw the movie on Friday.

      • LordBolanderFace

        I already had a pretty big plot point ruined for me in a Facebook comment. What is people’s deal with ruining Star Wars movies?

        • suburban_samurai

          You could probably say that about any movie, it’s just that Star Wars gets more exposure than most!

          • LordBolanderFace

            I dunno, people weren’t making memes to trick people into reading Thor: Ragnarok or Spiderman Homecoming spoilers.

          • suburban_samurai

            Wow, that is super Dark Side.

        • Kid Chaos

          You just have to know how to avoid spoilers. 😜

  • foducool

    fortunately, I’ve already prepared for the worst case scenario
    *commits sudoku*

    • Xinef
      • Xinef

        Though this samurai clearly goofed… after committing sudoku you’re supposed to fall in the other direction, and have your head chopped off :v
        Even if he had no second,

        he should have chopped his own head himself 😛

        • foducool

          no, that’s when you commit seppukku, how would people finish the grid if you fell forward when you commit sudoku? that makes no sense

          • Xinef

            Some things are better left unfinished.

      • Ilmari

        I had never seen this joke before but it is brilliant. :)

  • charles81

    *sniper bullet suddenly explodes his head*
    *body disappears and “Tao” ghost appears*

  • Kid Chaos

    Moving on from “Star Wars”…woohoo! Ina & co. have returned! Despite any problems this might cause, it’s a huge boost to the Senshin forces. Still, I have to wonder just how Gen. Tanaka is planning to handle the Wataro attack. Perhaps he could challenge Nataku to a nice game of Go? 😜

    • Xinef

      Would be interesting if Nataku dies killed by a Go piece thrown at him by Bunzo…

      Yup, that seems like the best plan of counterattack.

    • SKy

      It’s a board game: Each player gets a board and clobbers the other players with it.

  • Major Tom

    I personally found the new Star Wars highly enjoyable. It’s a fresh take on it compared to say Attack of the Clones.

  • LordBolanderFace

    “We’ve prepared for the worst case scenario.”
    “Okay, we’ve prepared for the SECOND worst case scenario.”
    “Oh, that’s like… not even in the top ten, man.”

  • Ladon

    “We’ve prepared for the worst case scenario” “God is on their side and we’re all getting banished to hell?” “We’ve prepared for the worst REALISTIC case scenario” “Oh, like another clan declaring war on us in an attempt to appease the Wataro, forcing us to fight two armies?” “I… uh…” “or was the worst case scenario just a fight?” “Look, I’m just trying to be dramatic here…”

  • SlugFiller

    Hmm, I’m looking at your Star Wars analysis, and it looks like you focused too much on the raw plot (which even A New Hope does questionably), and too little on the message. This manifests most clearly in your analysis of the casino scene, and the new hacker. It’s like you don’t see why that part exists, or what they’re trying to say. It’s about breaking away from “This guy is light, that guy is darkness, therefore, anything this guy does to that guy is inherently good”. This is a step up from Episode 6’s “There’s still good in him”. The part about “He sells weapons to the bad guys. But also to the good guys” is important to establish moral ambiguity. This ambiguity is resolved when Rose stops Finn later, with the sentence “We don’t fight to beat those we hate, we fight to protect what we love”. That’s a powerful and important message, which one would be remiss to overlook.

    You did catch on regarding Rey’s unimportant parents, but the implication you draw for it is very EU-oriented. You’re thinking what other casts of Jedi can emerge. Which means you also didn’t get the importance of the little kid at the end force-pulling the broomstick. It’s to destroy the “hero by birth/fate” trope that the hero’s journey pattern established in A New Hope. It’s to send the message to the audience: Even if you’re a nobody with nobody parents and don’t secretly have the blood of some king or mage in you, you can still be the hero. This too is a powerful and important message.

    Also, I never really understood why Empire Strikes Back is so popular. I always liked A New Hope MUCH better, and found the pacing of Empire Strikes Back to be very slow and confusing. Most likely, it was because the one line that was the underpinning of the huge twist didn’t even phase me, and had already been memed to death by the time I had watched it. However, after seeing The Last Jedi, and its many twists, I feel like I have a better clue as to what someone who watched Empire Strikes Back in theaters might have felt.

    • Kid Chaos

      I liked “TLJ”, but the plot was too scattered; too much going on in too many places to really advance the narrative. Rey’s training was practically nonexistent, and yet she was able to lift all those heavy rocks. Maybe it’s because she didn’t see it as “impossible”. I thought the whole “nobody” parents thing was a good idea; I was dreading a revelation that Rey was related to Luke or Obi-Wan in some way. In this aspect, she’s just like Anakin; he was only a junkyard slave on Tatooine, but he just happened to be strong in the Force.

      Sorry for the long, rambling rant, people; I just had to get a few things off my chest. 😜

      • SlugFiller

        She did get some training (mostly off-screen), and people who mock her fighting ability tend to forget that she was living like a Fremen for most of her life. But mostly, it’s being natural in the Force. The fact that she had visions just from approaching Luke’s lightsaber in TFA, shows that it’s more inherent. In a way, the unknown parents seemed like it could be the answer as to why, so it’s a bit of a double-edged sword that they weren’t. Or maybe it was Snoke’s influence, since he does confess to having some.

        I don’t think Anakin counts as “only a junkyard slave”, because of the “unknown father” bit. Whether he potentially had a Jedi father, or is literally Space Jesus, it still seems a lot more “chosen one”, and a lot less “You could be one too”. A reveal that Anakin had a nobody father would probably change that, but isn’t likely to happen.

        • Kid Chaos

          I’d rather have Anakin’s father remain unknown, thank you very much. If he had a Jedi parent, it would just introduce more controversy and probably another plot hole. 😎

  • Christopher Kay-Chalk

    Hi I am just going to copy paste what I sent to a friend the day after I saw the movie, because at the time I also wasn’t a fan of the whole Finn and Rose side quest

    • suburban_samurai

      Yeah, it was a definite indirect kill!

    • Thomas

      Last Jedi SPOILER question.

      I was trying to recall and put together how the First Order knew to look for the transport ships. If it was from the code breaker, how did the code breaker know? As I recall, not even Poe knew until he was being transported. See the main post comments above about the question of why they kept the transport plan such a secret (even from Poe). So how did that information get step by step to the First Order despite their precautions?

      • suburban_samurai

        I’ve only seen the movie once at this point, but I believe the code breaker (wish they’d called him a Slicer) figured out there were cloaked shuttles leaving the Rebel mothership somehow. That whole sequence is such a blur of vague information, though, that it’s difficult to recollect it.

        • Thomas

          “That whole sequence is such a blur of vague information, though, that it’s difficult to recollect it.” Exactly so. I don’t recall any reason why we should think the “Slicer” would even think to check for cloaked shuttles leaving the Rebel mothership (even while he was busy getting through security and treacherously back stabbing Finn and Rose).

          Another SPOILERY plot question would be, when exactly did the Slicer get the opportunity to arrange a deal with the First Order? The bot was with him pretty much since the breakout until Finn and Rose came aboard. They were together for the break in. Then it seemed they were expected and walking into a trap. I expect for surprise effect that we wouldn’t see the deal being made, of course. But I would expect there to be a plausible opportunity for the deal to have been made. Yet it doesn’t seem they bothered to make clear just how that even could have happened.

          • suburban_samurai

            The slicer was a frustrating character from the time he was introduced until the time he unrepentantly disappeared. I found everything about him to be baffling. Why not just make Rose a competent enough technician to do what he was supposed to do? If she’d had a certain level of expertise necessary for the plot,That would’ve helped her character development. It also would’ve bypassed a need to go on a twenty+ minute detour to a casino planet. Another way the whole casino planet storyline could’ve gone was that they failed to find the code breaker they needed, but instead found another potential ally that could help, maybe with a fleet of ships sympathetic to the Resistance cause.

            Finn’s and Rose’s storyline feels half baked from every angle. And although some people are claiming that TLJ’ themes are all about failure, well, failure through sheer incompetence and un-foreshadowed deus ex machina isn’t much of a lesson, or story arc.

          • Christopher Kay-Chalk

            So the code breaker found out about the transport plan at the same time as Finn and Rose, just after Poe did when he called and asked where they were and if they got the master code breaker and they replied with a pause and “we have A code breaker” Poe was still under the impression that was a suicide mission so told Finn and Poe about the transports to hurry them up, and the whole time the code breaker was sitting right there as we see when he asks for the necklace as payment.

            And he arranged the deal when everyone got captured, if you remember they get caught and then the next scene only Finn and Rose are on there knees ready for execution, in that time the code breaker said he had some info for some credits and his freedom. That’s why he says, “we got caught so I made a deal”

          • Thomas

            So basically, the people who were killed in the transports died because Poe couldn’t keep his lips zipped about the secret plan, which answers the question about why they never told people like him in the first place.

            p.s. Someday when I can see it again without buying another ticket, I’ll look forward to seeing that sequence again to get the sequence more clearly. I had thought there communications were before Poe new. Thanks for the clarifications.

          • suburban_samurai

            The thing is that all Holdo/Leia had to do was tell Poe and the rest of the crew that there is a plan, but for security reasons they can’t tell them, and to trust them. That’d probably work for Poe.

          • Christopher Kay-Chalk

            Holdo tried that just before Poe figured out they were fueling the transports, she gave him some line leia supposedly always says about not having to see something to believe in it, it’s the line she started and he finishes.

          • suburban_samurai

            Ha, that’s right! Shoulda done that sooner!

  • RickRussellTX

    Of course Ina is a critical member of the war council. She’s a total baller.

  • RickRussellTX

    BTW I love what you did with Masuhiro’s hand about 2/3 down the page. TENSION HEADACHE’D

    • suburban_samurai

      It’s a chronic problem for him.

  • Kid Chaos

    I yust go nuts at Christmas… 🎅

  • LordBolanderFace

    Hey, I’m back here to talk about Star Wars! I really need to start seeing them on release so I don’t have to do this… Anyway, I pretty much agree with your review. Good ideas, bad execution. I hope it’s not just me, but I really hated Rose. She felt completely out of place, like a character from a different movie who just wandered into Star Wars. And the worst part is that it felt like she hijacks Fin’s part of the movie. You said it yourself, it could have been about Fin facing Phasma and his past as a Storm Trooper, but instead we get Rose ranting about casinos and horse-thing races. It was an interesting idea, giving us a look at the people who supposedly funded the First Order, but they didn’t feel like bad guys the way she apparently wanted us to. They were just goofy rich people having a Vegas vacation. And were we supposed to think that ONLY First Order supporters ever go there? There’s literally no other way to get rich in this universe? And then she completely sabotaged Fin in the end because… love is stronger than hate? Sunshine and lollipops? Ugh.

    Rey got on my nerves less this time than in the first movie, but she’s still a Mary Sue. I don’t like how she’s able to do all these incredible tricks with no training. Luke couldn’t lift his X-Wing at her level, but she can raise a landslide’s worth of boulders? I know Snoke did the whole “The farther Kylo falls into darkness, there will be an equal in the light,” but… why? How?

    • suburban_samurai

      Lucky for you, Lord Bolander’s Face, I LOVE chatting about Star Wars! I, too, did not much care for Rose. I don’t think we needed that character in this movie, and if we did have her, I would’ve preferred her to be much less meek, or at least make her exceptionally good at something to counterbalance her timidity. And play up the sexual tension between her and Finn. As it stands, they are a couple with zero chemistry, unlike the sizzling heat between Kylo and Rey (or even Holdo and Poe, man I wish they’d be in a relationship, would’ve made that whole arc of the story way more dramatic).

      I do like Rey, I didn’t even really think about her lack of Jedi training in TFA because I was under the impression that she was some sort of new breed of Force users whose powers were amplified. TLJ kind of confirmed this since Luke was shocked by both her and Kylo’s incredible Force powers, although I wish their higher level status had been more explicitly stated.

      I would absolutely LOVE every scene with Rey if everyone around her acknowledged or even got annoyed with how near perfect she is at everything she tries. Like, what if Luke asked her to do all this training and she kept nailing it on the first try, and he kept getting grumpier because it took him a long time to learn, and she kept trying to act nicer and play down her own accomplishments because she didn’t want to come off as a show off. That’d be great to watch. It’d be rad to have Kylo Ren demonstrating his power to her and showing her how ‘the dark side made me stronger’, and then she pulls off the same powers and is super humble about it. Like she goes “no, I’m sure you’re much stronger than you used to be! I just had beginners luck is all”. It could be this running gag where she’s extremely humble and trying really hard not to draw attention to how damn good she is at everything because she unintentionally alienates people. And this makes he feel lonely, and she wants to know why she’s like this and uncover her mysterious lineage.

      Instead of wanting to return BB8 to the Resistance in TFA, the quest she sets out on could be to find her parents so she can understand who she really is (instead of not wanting to leave Jakku because she thinks they might just show up). And then, after all the build up, Kylo drops the bomb that her parents were nobodies. That’d be a hell of a good Empire Strikes Back reversal. And, to be fair, the scene where he tells her her parents were nobodies in TLJ is easily my favorite moment in the film.

      I mean, if these filmmakers are gonna write her as this impossibly skilled amazing person, then I want everyone around her to acknowledge that and for that to be part of her character arc. Otherwise, she just needs to struggle more. And to be fair, Luke does acknowledge her powers multiple times. I just wish we’d had a training sequence. I wish it REALLY BADLY.

      Having said that, I don’t enjoy hearing the argument about how “oh she’s a mary sue, she’s good at everything and so she’s boring!” There are literally thousands of male characters who are amazing at everything across the entire spectrum of fictional works who don’t get called out for being basically amazing at everything. Iconic heroes like Indiana Jones, James Bond, Batman, Captain America, whatever. Rey shows just as much emotional range as any of those male characters, and is just as talented. Rey’s literally ‘just some girl’ who discovers she has incredible powers, which is basically every superhero ever. She gets captured, tortured, she’s put in scary situations where she’s vulnerable, and she ultimately escapes using her new abilities. Mary sues just get everything they want without trying, that’s what makes them mary sues. Bella Swan from Twilight is a mary sue. Rey is a power fantasy character in the form of a woman instead of a man.

      Also Snoke was a stupid bad guy who was given no context and then died to ‘subvert expectations’, and all the nonsense he said was just as lacking in context as the character himself. Super annoying.

      • LordBolanderFace

        I’ve seen a lot of people arguing that Snoke didn’t a backstory because Palpatine didn’t have one, and my argument is “Palpatine didn’t need one!” Evil empire, ergo evil emperor. But when you supposedly destroy the empire, kill the emperor, and then a mysteriously similar “empire” shows up with a mysteriously similar “emperor” I feel like that deserves some kind of explanation. It’d be like if they made a sequel to Lord of the Rings, where the Dark Lord Moron is raising an orc army and searching for the Other One Ring that will let him reclaim his lost powers… we already did this. Who is this copycat and where did he come from?

    • KungFuKlobber

      Just saw the movie myself, and I was thinking there was a different Mary Sue.

      BB8 is OP. Nerf pls.

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  • Frank Royce Harr

    Really? The worst? Why do you tempt the imagination of fate? You fool!

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